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Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:27 am
by wrighty
Hi guys, riding my pcx 125 today (66 plate UK spec) and the engine light has come on plus the speedo isn't moving!

Any ideas??

Cheers.

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:45 pm
by wrighty
Anyone? Anything I can check??

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:15 pm
by gn2
Have you been guddling in the transmission?
Might have damaged the speed sensor or its wire.
part 11
https://www.bike-parts-honda.com/honda- ... 20/1/38751

Does the speedo sweep round at start-up?

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:47 am
by wrighty
gn2 wrote:Have you been guddling in the transmission?
Might have damaged the speed sensor or its wire.
part 11
https://www.bike-parts-honda.com/honda- ... 20/1/38751

Does the speedo sweep round at start-up?
Not done anything at all to it, weather obviously has been bad recently maybe that has a bearing on it.

The speedo does sweep around on startup yeah, this morning it worked for literally 30secs down the road then nothing!

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 7:45 am
by you you
wrighty wrote:
gn2 wrote:Have you been guddling in the transmission?
Might have damaged the speed sensor or its wire.
part 11
https://www.bike-parts-honda.com/honda- ... 20/1/38751

Does the speedo sweep round at start-up?
Not done anything at all to it, weather obviously has been bad recently maybe that has a bearing on it.

The speedo does sweep around on startup yeah, this morning it worked for literally 30secs down the road then nothing!
Damp?

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 9:10 am
by wrighty
you you wrote:
wrighty wrote:
gn2 wrote:Have you been guddling in the transmission?
Might have damaged the speed sensor or its wire.
part 11
https://www.bike-parts-honda.com/honda- ... 20/1/38751

Does the speedo sweep round at start-up?
Not done anything at all to it, weather obviously has been bad recently maybe that has a bearing on it.

The speedo does sweep around on startup yeah, this morning it worked for literally 30secs down the road then nothing!
Damp?
Do you mean the actual sensor? if so quite possibly.

Fixable? Does the rear wheel have to come off to get at the sensor??

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:30 am
by you you
wrighty wrote:
Do you mean the actual sensor? if so quite possibly.

Fixable? Does the rear wheel have to come off to get at the sensor??
I'd be checking and cleaning all connectors between the sensor and the speedo first.

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 11:42 am
by wrighty
you you wrote:
wrighty wrote:
Do you mean the actual sensor? if so quite possibly.

Fixable? Does the rear wheel have to come off to get at the sensor??
I'd be checking and cleaning all connectors between the sensor and the speedo first.
Ok, will have a look at that. I did manage to look at the actual sensor and it was a bit wet slightly gritty/dirty.

I've cleaned it up but not run it yet, will report back when i do.

Whilst on topic, how does the wire on the sensor disconnect as i couldn't do it without fearing id break it!

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:24 pm
by wrighty
Bump.

Ok I've took it apart and checked the wiring especially behind the air box as read on here someone had an issue there but it looked ok all be it a bit twisted but looked fine.

I am checking the connectors at the dash end now but not sure where the speedo sensor one is, does anyone know which it is?

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Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 2:03 pm
by iceman
Earlier LED models circa 2013/14 apparently have a single 16-way multi-connector to the dash assembly so either that info is wrong or things have changed - you may find a circuit for newer models searching google.

If you can get them off easily then may be worth doing it, or just waggle them a bit :)

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:09 pm
by wrighty
iceman wrote:Earlier LED models circa 2013/14 apparently have a single 16-way multi-connector to the dash assembly so either that info is wrong or things have changed - you may find a circuit for newer models searching google.

If you can get them off easily then may be worth doing it, or just waggle them a bit :)
Done that bit! :D

Mines a 2016 led uk model and I've been looking at the wiring diagram here https://www.hondapcx.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=771 but it's giving me a headache!

I may buy a sensor and hope for the best if all this wiggling and cleaning dont work.

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:26 am
by wrighty
I've cleaned all the connectors with contact cleaner and wiggled all the wires, swapped the fuses out as well just in case but nothing :cry:

EML light has gone out tho! so that's something, will order a sensor but still not confident it will fix it as heard they rarely if ever go wrong.

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:49 am
by Mel46
That may be an older wiring diagram that you are looking at. You have the LED version.

Try this one.
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Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:05 pm
by iceman
Mel - still shows one multi-way connector and different colours - just to check, we are talking about the combi meter connector?

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:58 am
by Mel46
Yes, but also be aware of the LED control unit.

If the engine light comes on and it is part of the display, does the bike start? If the bike runs then that eliminates a lot of the wiring. Then you can pull the speedometer and check the connectors on it and to it. However, if everything else on the speedometer assembly works except the meter itself I would be inclined to pull the VS Sensor.

See page 21-17 of the service manual.

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:12 am
by Mel46
Maybe this will help.
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Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2021 7:19 pm
by amin12345
Hi, I am having the same exact issue with my PCX 2016 the engine light is on and the speedometer doesn't work. speedo sweeps round at start-up as normal the engine sounds fine when riding.

suddenly the speedometer works as normal and the check engine light goes away after riding and switching the bike off and on a couple times then it comes back again!


help will be much appreciated.

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:20 am
by Mel46
Sounds like you may have crud in the switches and possibly the speed sensor. The seed sensor is at the back wheel. Check the wires that go into it. Use WD-40 to clean your switches.

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:40 pm
by amin12345
Mel46 wrote: Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:20 am Sounds like you may have crud in the switches and possibly the speed sensor. The seed sensor is at the back wheel. Check the wires that go into it. Use WD-40 to clean your switches.
Which switches would I have to clean? I have ordered a new speed sensor. waiting for it to be delivered.
Ill report back if this fixed the issue.

Re: Engine light on and Speedo not moving!

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:50 am
by Mel46
There are multiple switches that are susceptible to weather problems, including the side stand switch and the (depending on where you are) Start/Stop or Idle/Stop...or whatever it is called there. Spray some WD-40 in the switch and move it back and forth multiple times. You really need to take that switch off and check the contacts, but I now how difficult that one is to remove.