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Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:55 am
by 87112
My used 300 forza has a stuck gas gauge, meaning it will cycle upon starting than is stuck at 3/4 all the time. Its still under warranty but the dealer says if they find out its stuck because of poor work by the previous dealer who did the recalls on the bike I will have to cough up the money for repairs since Honda will not pay them back for the work. I did find out the previous owner took it in for all recalls, this is the 15 Forza.
so just live with it being 3/4 and not have a chance of paying out of pocket or just use the good old tripmeter. I am leaning towards tripmeter but it is nice to have a working gas gauge?
Or does a gas gauge eventually with miles stop working anyway? I have never had a scooter or motorcycle past 12k miles.
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:45 am
by davenowherejones
When new the Forza gas gauge does not move for the first 100 km, the next 100 km it drops to 0 and the final 100 km shows empty until it actually is empty.
I use trip A and make sure I fill before 300 km.
I have 70,000 km on mine.
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:53 am
by montliz44
^^^^^ What Dave said ^^^^^
Hi, 87112,
Even the Forza gas gauges that work right aren't accurate at all. Almost everybody on this forum, me included, reports that their gauge tends to go to "empty" way too soon, so most of us have learned to rely on our tripometers instead. I start looking for gas at 180 miles, and I've never been able to put more than 2 and a half gallons in even at 180. (Capacity is 3.04.)
So, knowing what I know about Forza gas gauges, if I were you I wouldn't bother fixing it.
Johnny
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:38 am
by gn2
The analogue fuel gauge exists purely for aesthetic purposes to balance the look of the dash.
As a device for reporting the fuel level it is completely and utterly useless.
Fortunately the fuel consumption meter is very accurate so learn to use that instead.
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:16 pm
by aguim
Yes, the fuel pump/ float assy was probably installed incorrectly when recalls were done. The fuel
pump assy could probably be re-positionned properly, though (It's not that complicated to remove
the related plastics and luggage box, I found).
Then that gauge is near useless even when working -- designing an accurate gauge for such a
weird-shaped fuel tank was almost impossible, anyway. Mine is like the other ones : stuck @ F for
100km...then dropping rapidly to E...with 4+ litres left in it !!. After a while, one learns to keep
an eye on the tripmeter, too.
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:16 pm
by you you
gn2 wrote:The analogue fuel gauge exists purely for aesthetic purposes to balance the look of the dash.
As a device for reporting the fuel level it is completely and utterly useless.
Fortunately the fuel consumption meter is very accurate so learn to use that instead.
For the sake of balance the fuel gauge probably does record, in some way, the fuel level of the scooter.
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:25 pm
by 87112
I think I will not mess with it and just live with the gauge at 3/4 stuck and use the tripmeter.
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:39 am
by dergav
Has your dealer suggested any reasons why the gauge sticks at 3/4 level?...and if any reason "could" be linked to poor work at any recall?..thats the implication?
As the bike is still under warranty I would want it fixed...even accepting the general limitations of the gauge. I find that even with its limitations seeing the gauge in the red is a reminder to me re refuelling....
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:13 am
by 87112
I will be responsible for the diagnosis fee of 1 to 1.5 hrs if the dealer finds out it was stuck due to poor workmanship from prior recalls.
And than the entire bill of that fee and fix will be on me.
They did explain other reasons why it could be stuck but in my mind all I was laser focused on was a bill handed to me.
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:38 am
by davenowherejones
dergav wrote:Has your dealer suggested any reasons why the gauge sticks at 3/4 level?...and if any reason "could" be linked to poor work at any recall?..thats the implication?
As the bike is still under warranty I would want it fixed...even accepting the general limitations of the gauge. I find that even with its limitations seeing the gauge in the red is a reminder to me re refuelling....
I would want it fixed to. Running out of gas in the middle of nowhere could cost a lot more than whatever the possible repair fee.
I have occasionally forgot to reset the trip meter. The needle in the red is enough to scare me into immediate action.
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:26 pm
by aguim
87112 wrote:My used 300 forza has a stuck gas gauge, meaning it will cycle upon starting than is stuck at 3/4 all the time. Its still under warranty but the dealer says if they find out its stuck because of poor work by the previous dealer who did the recalls on the bike I will have to cough up the money for repairs since Honda will not pay them back for the work. I did find out the previous owner took it in for all recalls, this is the 15 Forza.
so just live with it being 3/4 and not have a chance of paying out of pocket or just use the good old tripmeter. I am leaning towards tripmeter but it is nice to have a working gas gauge?
Or does a gas gauge eventually with miles stop working anyway? I have never had a scooter or motorcycle past 12k miles.
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:53 pm
by aguim
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aguim wrote:87112 wrote:My used 300 forza has a stuck gas gauge, meaning it will cycle upon starting than is stuck at 3/4 all the time. Its still under warranty but the dealer says if they find out its stuck because of poor work by the previous dealer who did the recalls on the bike I will have to cough up the money for repairs since Honda will not pay them back for the work. I did find out the previous owner took it in for all recalls, this is the 15 Forza.
so just live with it being 3/4 and not have a chance of paying out of pocket or just use the good old tripmeter. I am leaning towards tripmeter but it is nice to have a working gas gauge?
Or does a gas gauge eventually with miles stop working anyway? I have never had a scooter or motorcycle past 12k miles.
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:08 pm
by leoper
fuel gauge works bad
i reset the trip when tank is full
i look the consum : if i get 25 km/l , i can do 250 km with 10 liters, and full tank is about 11,5 , so i have 1,5 liters in my bike
if i get 19 km/l, i can make 190 km....and i have 1,5 liters in my tank
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:43 pm
by aguim
leoper wrote:fuel gauge works bad
i reset the trip when tank is full
i look the consum : if i get 25 km/l , i can do 250 km with 10 liters, and full tank is about 11,5 , so i have 1,5 liters in my bike
if i get 19 km/l, i can make 190 km....and i have 1,5 liters in my tank
That's the way I operate, too. Quick & easy to figure out. But I've never seen 19km/l. More like 30
most of the time, with lowest at 26 on a very frosty day. Best was an unbelievable 38 @ 100km/h
on a perfectly nice day on a perfectly nice road...with no traffic, please.
Keeping a litre left is keeping that pump cool, Good idea.
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:12 pm
by davenowherejones
So would a good side to side shake get things working? Or a bumpy road? Or speed bumps?
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:31 pm
by aguim
davenowherejones wrote:So would a good side to side shake get things working? Or a bumpy road? Or speed bumps?
Who knows !!
Maybe hitting a tree ?
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:58 am
by montliz44
I wouldn't try the tree method. It might fix the gauge, but it tends to be hard on the front suspension and plastic parts.
Johnny
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:46 am
by aguim
I meant : hit it wfo.
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:33 am
by leoper
aguim wrote:leoper wrote:fuel gauge works bad
i reset the trip when tank is full
i look the consum : if i get 25 km/l , i can do 250 km with 10 liters, and full tank is about 11,5 , so i have 1,5 liters in my bike
if i get 19 km/l, i can make 190 km....and i have 1,5 liters in my tank
That's the way I operate, too. Quick & easy to figure out. But I've never seen 19km/l. More like 30
most of the time, with lowest at 26 on a very frosty day. Best was an unbelievable 38 @ 100km/h
on a perfectly nice day on a perfectly nice road...with no traffic, please.
Keeping a litre left is keeping that pump cool, Good idea.
i have 17gr dr pulley sliders and yellow malossi springs, temperature is about 0º and only city and about 4 km, 4 times a day
i know is the worst use i can do, but it´s what i need
with this use I get about 20 km/l
Re: Forza 300 gas gauge accurate?
Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:10 am
by aguim
0 deg C/ 4km = running near full (electronic) choke all the time ! Me thought Spain was HOT as
HELL !!