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Final Drive Oil
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:28 am
by DioTiAma
Any idea which kind and how much? Is it the same like mechanics use in the SH300i (0.28L, API SG or higher, 10W-30 & JASO MA)?
Re: Final Drive Oil
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:57 am
by BRed
Mine says HP4M 4-stroke motor oil or equivalent.....
same spec as your pic shows.
on how much, it says pour oil in the filler hole until it comes out the check hole.
Final Drive Oil
Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:01 pm
by DioTiAma
Are you strict with that? Even with the engine oil? On the 1000km change, i used for 6000km the Valvoline SynPower Scooter 4T 5W40 (API SJ, JASO: MA, MA-2) and then changed it (planning to keep it this way) to Castrol Act>evo 4T 5W40 (API SJ, JASO: MA-2). Probably i'm going to use the same one for the final drive (the amount is 0,28L).
Re: Final Drive Oil
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:14 am
by BRed
It seems unusual but it's really not....
the Big Ruckus manual specifies either HP4M (I think that means w/molybdenum?) OR #90W gear oil for it's final drive.
The URAL uses motor oil in its crankcase and separate 4-spd transmission (but it uses gear oil in it's final drive).
Go figure.....
Final Drive Oil
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 2:50 am
by DioTiAma
BRed, when you say "mine" you mean in the service manual of Honda Forza 300? The part of picture i've posted comes from SH300i service manual. Anyway, JASO: MA-2 for the engine (low friction) and JASO: MA (higher friction) for the final drive as i can tell...
Re: Final Drive Oil
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:09 am
by gn2
Uses the same oil that goes in the engine.
Final Drive Oil
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:28 am
by DioTiAma
GN2, the engine oil is has to be SAE 10W-30, API SG or higher & JASO T 903 MB. The final drive oil has to be SAE 10W-30, API SG or higher & JASO T 903 MA.
Re: Final Drive Oil
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:53 am
by iceman
Isn't the clutch dry on the Forza (like the PCX) so MA oil will work for both?
Re: Final Drive Oil
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:45 pm
by gn2
Because the Forza and PCX have a dry centrifugal clutch it makes no odds whether you use MA or MB in either the engine or final drive.
Just use the cheapest 10w30 you can find.
Make sure its the slippy stuff, sticky is no good.
Re: Final Drive Oil
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:24 pm
by fish
Two things I don't understand: 1) Why drain water spins a different way below the equator.
2) Why folks lose the plot when reading the oil specs in the scooter owner's manual.
IMHO, that dress is white with gold stripes....and you use PRO HONDA HP4M 10W-30 in the engine and the final drive. Are there places on this planet that sell this scooter, but not the companion oil?
Strange.....
Fish
Re: Final Drive Oil
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:07 pm
by you you
fish wrote:Two things I don't understand: 1) Why drain water spins a different way below the equator.
2) Why folks lose the plot when reading the oil specs in the scooter owner's manual.
IMHO, that dress is white with gold stripes....and you use PRO HONDA HP4M 10W-30 in the engine and the final drive. Are there places on this planet that sell this scooter, but not the companion oil?
Strange.....
Fish
For the first I presume you have googled but still can't understand, for the second it's just a 10-30 oil.
You're not that strange.
Re: Final Drive Oil
Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:01 am
by gn2
The water spinny thing is a myth, it can go either way either side of the equator.
Re: Final Drive Oil
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:16 pm
by MiddleRiverPCX
The viscosity of 90 weight gear oil at Standard Temperature overlaps the viscosity of straight 40 weight motor oil.
Gear oil and motor oil use different scales. Straight 40 motor oil is very thick when cold.
multiweight oil appears thinner in the container, but the viscosity does not change as much when it rises to operating temp.
The 10-30 in that final drive is probably as thick as straight 90 gear oil, when both of them are 100-150 F.