The Honda PCX / Forza / ADV150 / SH Forums

Unless Honda Motor Company steps up and absorbs all the Costs, it's hard to imagine Any Dealer could be forced to absorb that much expense. My Honda Dealer and I discussed this, and They said "Cheapest, Simplest Solution" for Honda would be just send a New Engine for each One that breaks within maybe a 3 year time frame...."Tough Call" either way.....will be following this......

I think it depends on how many stands have broken? Sadly, if they are only rare cases, Honda won't feel like they need to do anything about it. It may just be sorry about our luck? But if it happened to me, I would be ticked. If the U.S. had white 150s, I probably would have already traded to avoid paranoia.

Many new Honda models don't even come with a centre stand now, you need to buy it as an accessory. Since maddiedave's stand problem I use my side stand 90℅ of the time or more as I've also got a first model 125. The times I do like to be on the center stand is when refuelling, so bike is level. Looking forward to gn2's updates.

Fueling is the only time I use mine as well. That would definitely be a bad time for it to break though I wonder if the U.S. Forza will have a center stand and side stand? My former Elite 110 & SH 150i had center stands and no side stands, so I can't see any future U.S. models having no center stands???

strkngfang wrote:Fueling is the only time I use mine as well. That would definitely be a bad time for it to break though I wonder if the U.S. Forza will have a center stand and side stand? My former Elite 110 & SH 150i had center stands and no side stands, so I can't see any future U.S. models having no center stands???

Yes the USA Forza Model has a Sidestand and Centerstand.....Scooters almost all need a Centerstand because of small gas tank capacities, starting for engine warm-up with the automatic trans, and cargo loading........this just turned out to be a "design quirk" that wasn't anticipated, and showed up later. At least Honda stepped in with a solution. I probably would have never caught it had I not owned both versions and still had access to the 125s.....

I would say that conventional bikes have even more need of a centre stand because of chain maintenance.
Deleting the cetrestand is just a fashion thing.

gn2 wrote:I would say that conventional bikes have even more need of a centre stand because of chain maintenance.
Deleting the cetrestand is just a fashion thing.

A chain? Isn't that a fashion thing?

Indeed it is.
Shaft drive is far superior but unfashionable

I never did chain maintenance on my 2 CX500's or XJ900

Not getting my PCX until September so can only look at the photographs here.
Question, what part of the stand hits the bike to stop it when the bike is rolled off.

From the photo it seems to be the rusty bit just about 2 inches from the mounting.
I think, considering the weight and length of the stand, that when it stops, because it is so close to the pivot point quite a strong force will act downwards on the casting. The stopping point should be much further from the casting. suggest when taking off the stand, keep your foot on the stand and slowly raise it until it stops.

David

DAB wrote:Not getting my PCX until September so can only look at the photographs here.
Question, what part of the stand hits the bike to stop it when the bike is rolled off.

From the photo it seems to be the rusty bit just about 2 inches from the mounting.
I think, considering the weight and length of the stand, that when it stops, because it is so close to the pivot point quite a strong force will act downwards on the casting. The stopping point should be much further from the casting. suggest when taking off the stand, keep your foot on the stand and slowly raise it until it stops.

David

Later Models don't have this issue due to extra material being cast around the mounting points, but You'll have a hard time using the technique You describe....it's not the return of the stand to "neutral resting position", it's just the overall use. Using a Centerstand on ANY Motorcycle places a lot of stress on the mounting points, and on the PCX, the mounting points are "tabs" of cast aluminum protruding from the Engine Case. I see You have a VFR (I've owned several)...They lift about 70% of the Motorcycle's Full Weight when in use...Lotsa' Stress. With the PCX, I personally think Honda underestimated the percentage of total weight being lifted and made the Tabs too small with tapered indentions just to save pennies in casting aluminum material.....later, as problems arose, They had to address Their mistake....as late in the game as Your PCX is, You'll have the reinforced Tabs.....

I should also mention I avoid sitting on my Mark 1 125 when its on the main stand as that's almost doubling the stress on those lugs.

Taz wrote:I should also mention I avoid sitting on my Mark 1 125 when its on the main stand as that's almost doubling the stress on those lugs.

Not sure sitting on it while on the stand will do anything as the forces will be upwards and not downwards, where the lug is weakest.

David

The centrestand isn't vertical when in use.
There are three points of contact to consider.
The foot of the stand in contact with the road, the pivot pin mounts and the stand stops on the crankcase.
If you sit on the bike the stand acts as a lever and force is applied to the stops and the pivot pin mounts.
This is fine if everything is strong enough to cope with the forces, but they're not.

When the bike is placed on the stand it moves rearwards till the stand hits the stops.
Every time the stand is used force is applied to the stops and the pivot mounts, eventually the weakest point gives up.
The simple fact is that the pivot pin mounts were not manufactured strong enough.

I'm so glad right now. I'm pretty sure when we first transported it that it was transported on center stand. Glad engine isn't damaged. I didn't have motorcycle license until 1 month after getting scooter because I went to a public 'boarding' school(if you can call it that) and the scooter was 2 1/2 hours away. We couldn't even drive our cars except on weekends, and that was only if we had a 3.5 GPa or hogher( pretty high for college level courses) so my car didnt get driven until last semester of senior year when I finally got that GPa. We only had two transportation options: walking or bicycle. I used my bicycle all the time there, which was a schwinn cruiser bike. But anyways since no one in family had a license it had to be transported 45 miles on a trailer, but again when I think about it probably wasn't on center stand because side would make more sense

Loge, for reference, you should NEVER transport a bike on a centerstand. Even the kickstand is a bad idea. No stand should be down, only rubber. The mounting strategy in this how-to: http://hondapcx.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=319 is what you should do. You can replace the hauler with a pickup bed or a wheel chock on a trailer if you want, the mounting method still should apply. I regularly see dealers transport bikes on their kickstands and it makes me shudder every time. It can do terrible damage to your frame if done regularly.

Like I said when I think about it I'm pretty sure we didn't because the trailer had a mesh steel bottom so it wouldn't work and I do remember it leaning

And it was done that one time but I wish we had a wheel chock then. It was sitting in my moms office at work(yeah we wheeled it in) and waited on dad to pickup. And his truck had a hard a.r.e. bedcover at the time

My pcx is a week over 3yrs old and the centre stand mount snapped this morning. The left side bracket has sheared clean in half and the pin holding the spring on has sheared as well. Had to take it off because the spring wouldn't hold it up.

dull40 wrote:My pcx is a week over 3yrs old and the centre stand mount snapped this morning. The left side bracket has sheared clean in half and the pin holding the spring on has sheared as well. Had to take it off because the spring wouldn't hold it up.

Before you venture out again, you might want to make sure that the crank case is not cracked, even if it is just a hairline crack it can be fatal to the motor. I am hoping not for your sake. I hardly ever use the center stand once of heard of this problem.