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I have been hitting 45 -50 lately and the wind hitting me is like a hurricane blasting me . I don't have a helmet , and no windshield,(other than stock). What are best ways of handling the wind. I wonder how freeway driving would be with that amount of wind hitting the body. The PCX is a bit light for those speeds I would think. I have a windscreen on order and hope that helps. Any thoughts?? Thanks.
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Not wearing a helmet will probably solve the problem fairly quickly! :| :|

Seriously asking myself why would anyone ride without a helmet?
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Yes a windscreen will help, especially if it comes up to nose height(so you're looking just over it). That will push most of the blast to the top of your head. Please consider wearing a helmet.
I don't take my PCX on the freeway. IMO it's too light. My old 500LB. Beemer was a bit light around the big semis, too.
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JohnL wrote:why would anyone ride without a helmet?
Because they want to win an award.
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I am getting a helmet soon, but mostly riding in the slow zones for now..Would a helmet improve the wind blast alone? just wondering how effective helmets are in high wind situations . I think a taller shield is essential equipment. I even wonder why HONDA installs such a miniature windscreen? What would be a good helmet for wind deflection as well as ground bounce ?
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No helmet is like trying to play Russian Roulette. Your wind problem will be solved soon enough that way.

Otherwise, if the wiind hits you in the chest you can divert it upwards by using a windshield. The taller the windshield, the farther up the wind moves. If it diverts up to your head, you will need a helmet. Even if you don't have wind problems you still need a helmet not only in case of an accident but because a bug flying at 5 mph toward you, hit by you doing 45 mph, is like hitting an object a 50 mph. It hurts! It can also knock you right off of the bike.
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easyrider wrote:I am getting a helmet soon, but mostly riding in the slow zones for now..Would a helmet improve the wind blast alone? just wondering how effective helmets are in high wind situations . I think a taller shield is essential equipment. I even wonder why HONDA installs such a miniature windscreen? What would be a good helmet for wind deflection as well as ground bounce ?
You can crack your head doing 10MPH. Buy a helmet now. $100.00 is no big deal considering.
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easyrider wrote:What would be a good helmet for wind deflection as well as ground bounce ?
A good helmet is one which fits you properly and has a good "Sharp" rating.
Here's how to choose a properly fitting helmet:
http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/content/fitting-guide
And an animation:
http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/content/how-fit-your-helmet
And here's the ratings:
http://sharp.direct.gov.uk/testhelmetli ... ontinued=1

Ideally you want a pinlock visor fitted or at least available for the helmet you choose.
These stop the visor fogging up.
Price is no guarantee of a good helmet, many expensive ones have fairly poor ratings and some very cheap ones have excellent ratings.

You need to do some research then go to some shops and try a few on then research some more.
It is absolutely impossible to get a properly fitting helmet without trying it on first.
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I hate to get on the helmet bandwagon, but with my recent crash, my head smacked off the ground pretty hard. If not for my helmet, I'd have a cracked skull right now, and might not be around to enjoy my broken collarbone and bruised ribs. Kinda a good news/bad news thing.

When you get a helmet, get one that fits well and wear earplugs to reduce the noise.

As others have said, get a taller windscreen than the stock one. It will also make a difference.
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Yup, one definitely feels the wind on a PCX. I had to add a wind jacket over my riding jacket.

Everyone has their own preferences, but I like a comfortable helmet with a good shield.
It cuts the wind and keeps bugs and gravel from hitting my face at 45 mph.
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I just removed my top box for the first time the other day, just to see what it would be like.

It was quite windy and it made a huge difference to speed, feel and general handling, in fact in felt lighter to ride somehow.
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pcx150man wrote:I just removed my top box for the first time the other day, just to see what it would be like.

It was quite windy and it made a huge difference to speed, feel and general handling, in fact in felt lighter to ride somehow.
That's interesting
What size top box, and do you ride with it loaded?

I don't remember much difference when I added my GIVI 36 liter, but I ride with it empty.
I use it mainly for storing my helmet (mentioned above) when I'm parked.

...But I rode a much heavier scooter before, so I might not have noticed the difference.
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easyrider wrote:I have been hitting 45 -50 lately and the wind hitting me is like a hurricane blasting me . I don't have a helmet , and no windshield,(other than stock). What are best ways of handling the wind. I wonder how freeway driving would be with that amount of wind hitting the body. The PCX is a bit light for those speeds I would think. I have a windscreen on order and hope that helps. Any thoughts?? Thanks.

If you travel slower than 45-50 then the wind hitting you will seem less. For example if you travel at 20 the wind will feel like a 20 mph wind.

There's really no need for you to wear a helmet.
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easyrider wrote:I am getting a helmet soon, but mostly riding in the slow zones for now..Would a helmet improve the wind blast alone? just wondering how effective helmets are in high wind situations . I think a taller shield is essential equipment. I even wonder why HONDA installs such a miniature windscreen? What would be a good helmet for wind deflection as well as ground bounce ?
You'll see some reduction in wind noise with a 3/4 or full face helmet. Earplugs will help too. In case it's not obvious, a brain bucket (1/2 helmet) won't make any positive difference in wind noise.

Just know, even if you're in "slow zones" a fall with a blow to the head can still cause grave injury. As I've said, I was spared such in a low speed crash (25-30 mph) by wearing a helmet.
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you you wrote:
There's really no need for you to wear a helmet.
Don't make me raise my eyebrows at you because I will! I mean it!
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DailyRider wrote:
pcx150man wrote:I just removed my top box for the first time the other day, just to see what it would be like. It was quite windy and it made a huge difference to speed, feel and general handling, in fact in felt lighter to ride somehow.
That's interesting What size top box, and do you ride with it loaded? I don't remember much difference when I added my GIVI 36 liter, but I ride with it empty. I use it mainly for storing my helmet (mentioned above) when I'm parked. ...But I rode a much heavier scooter before, so I might not have noticed the difference.
I found taking the box off helped. I had the stock windshield on, so was pretty much taking the full hit if the air deflection. When I took the box off and sat upright, there was about a 1-2 km/h gain. When I crouched as low as I could get, it was a 4-5 km/h difference. I am assuming that while sitting upright with the box on, there was still some air wrapping around me and catching the box. I believe my box is 36 liters. It is a GIVI.
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kramnala58 wrote:
DailyRider wrote:
pcx150man wrote:I just removed my top box for the first time the other day, just to see what it would be like. It was quite windy and it made a huge difference to speed, feel and general handling, in fact in felt lighter to ride somehow.
That's interesting What size top box, and do you ride with it loaded? I don't remember much difference when I added my GIVI 36 liter, but I ride with it empty. I use it mainly for storing my helmet (mentioned above) when I'm parked. ...But I rode a much heavier scooter before, so I might not have noticed the difference.
I found taking the box off helped. I had the stock windshield on, so was pretty much taking the full hit if the air deflection. When I took the box off and sat upright, there was about a 1-2 km/h gain. When I crouched as low as I could get, it was a 4-5 km/h difference. I am assuming that while sitting upright with the box on, there was still some air wrapping around me and catching the box. I believe my box is 36 liters. It is a GIVI.
Ahah! I certainly do see a big difference when I'm riding fast and crouch down.

And the bike does respond more slowly to tilting and flicking with the top box on. But I prefer that at lower speed.
I suppose that's why they make it so easy to remove the top boxes.
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Our scooter accident was at 45 mph. The helmets sustained quite a hit, plus we slid for a ways. I rolled for about 40 yards on asphalt. Without the kevlar jacket with pads And my helmet I would not have been able to walk away. My wife had her helmet on but no jacket and she broke her shoulder in 4 places. Her helmet sustained enough damage that is obvious that I was glad she had it on. If you believe that a helmet is not necessary, you are fooling yourself.
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Mel46 wrote:Our scooter accident was at 45 mph. The helmets sustained quite a hit, plus we slid for a ways. I rolled for about 40 yards on asphalt. Without the kevlar jacket with pads And my helmet I would not have been able to walk away. My wife had her helmet on but no jacket and she broke her shoulder in 4 places. Her helmet sustained enough damage that is obvious that I was glad she had it on. If you believe that a helmet is not necessary, you are fooling yourself.

I never ride without one. What's your point?
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Just wondering: in what countries is it allowed to ride without a helmet?
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