tbln930 wrote:I think the main advantage is still stretching the change interval by using synthetic. The written warranty can affect its use, however. Some vehicles now require it in for cars leaving little choice. Conventional oil is slowly being replaced at the retailers.
Yes, it does help with the current direction of extended service intervals.
That does not seem to gel with respect the very short service intervals on the PCX and apparently Honda recommending synthetic oil (at least in US/Canada and ProHonda). People mentioned other scooters have much longer service intervals - bet they also use any good oil.
I'll put in full synthetic at the 5000 mark as why-not, but no real idea what the 600 service added as my receipt states '4 stroke bulk oil) and who knows what actually goes in.
IMO the main reason for the PCX short service interval is the lack of a proper oil filter.
The Forza 125 has a 4000 mile interval, so that's a step in the right direction for small capacity machines.
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gn2 wrote:IMO the main reason for the PCX short service interval is the lack of a proper oil filter.
The Forza 125 has a 4000 mile interval, so that's a step in the right direction for small capacity machines.
And it's tweeny oil capacity. Probably the biggest benefit of changing the oil at the interval it is is at least the oil level will be right. Tbhafter the first oil change you could run the bike for 10k as long as you checked the oil level regularly
My turbocharged car runs 20k service limits on a 3litre oil capacity. On non synthetic, it all comes out of the ground....
Just wondering why Honda add 'do not use energy saving' when we have a dry clutch in the PCX and a site discussing oils (found when googling) suggested all 5w30-10w-30 is usually energy saving anyway, to some extent - kind of what the added lubricants and such do.
So, what is the reason they suggest do not use energy saving oil in the PCX?
iceman wrote:Just wondering why Honda add 'do not use energy saving' when we have a dry clutch in the PCX and a site discussing oils (found when googling) suggested all 5w30-10w-30 is usually energy saving anyway, to some extent - kind of what the added lubricants and such do.
So, what is the reason they suggest do not use energy saving oil in the PCX?
Too thin?
I won't fuss with Honda. I just use the oil as directed by Honda. They built the thing....
I guess if you're miles from a Honda dealer and can't get the proper Honda products - then you have to do the best you can.
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iceman wrote:Just wondering why Honda add 'do not use energy saving' when we have a dry clutch in the PCX and a site discussing oils (found when googling) suggested all 5w30-10w-30 is usually energy saving anyway, to some extent - kind of what the added lubricants and such do.
So, what is the reason they suggest do not use energy saving oil in the PCX?
Too thin?
I won't fuss with Honda. I just use the oil as directed by Honda. They built the thing....
I guess if you're miles from a Honda dealer and can't get the proper Honda products - then you have to do the best you can.
Fish
Hard to get it here without import and possible customs getting involved - at least searching google, amazon. Ebay ships from the US but may be stopped by customs (one UK outlet listed HP4S/M but when checking each for more details said one is no longer stocked and the other not available due to customs chemical prohibitions!) I know most Castrol, Halfords, etc oil is perfectly fine, but outside the US/Canada it's not easy to purchase what Honda specific and what you guys can find anywhere. Must be why the UK/Europe manuals do not state ProHonda oil (just 4-stroke xxxx oil) as it's not legal here for some reason.
mtheall wrote:Maybe it's because of the non-"energy conserving" part.
That makes sense with europe legislation madness - whne in fact how much energy is not saved
It seems almost all 5w30-10w-40 oils in europe are classed as energy saving these days - to do with the additives which help things slide
I think I'm going with Silkolene Scoot Go 4 5W-40 - a very good quality oil and great value - about £7/litre.
Check the oil regularly
Change the oil regularly
Use the rightish grade
Use a known brand
After that it fizzles out a bit. Synthetic, semi synthetic or un modified oil might make a difference for better or worse but there no one here knows for sure.
Ffs we are only taking about a litre of oil in a 8hp twist and go
HP4M is a semi synthetic blend oil with moly that's recommended for scooters with dry clutches. Moly is extremely slippery and reduces friction providing better fuel economy and also produces less heat. Honda also says it can be used for motorcycles with wet clutches for racing in short periods, as long as the oil is drained and non moly oil put in after racing. The moly additive is great for optimum fuel efficiency and performance but not good for wet clutches.
HP4S is their full synthetic oil that doesn't contain moly. You may get slightly worse fuel economy and you'll get more heat produced although full synthetic oil stands up very well against heat.
I'd stick with HP4M unless you're continuously subjecting your engine to high RPMs all the time, and even then I'd just call HP4S a consideration.
dkazzed - I ride 70-80% of a 45mi commute at WOT. In Cali. Temps in spring/summer/fall range from 45-60 in the morning up to 100 in the afternoon during summer. I have TWO questions that I am trying to get a straight answer on by someone that knows his stuff. (I don't)
1. Should I use 10w40 full synthetic JASO-MA/MA2 with how much I'm riding WOT?
2. Can I use 10w40 full synthetic JASO-MA/MA2 in the final drive?
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HP4M is a semi synthetic blend oil with moly that's recommended for scooters with dry clutches. Moly is extremely slippery and reduces friction providing better fuel economy and also produces less heat. Honda also says it can be used for motorcycles with wet clutches for racing in short periods, as long as the oil is drained and non moly oil put in after racing. The moly additive is great for optimum fuel efficiency and performance but not good for wet clutches.
HP4S is their full synthetic oil that doesn't contain moly. You may get slightly worse fuel economy and you'll get more heat produced although full synthetic oil stands up very well against heat.
I'd stick with HP4M unless you're continuously subjecting your engine to high RPMs all the time, and even then I'd just call HP4S a consideration.
dkazzed - I ride 70-80% of a 45mi commute at WOT. In Cali. Temps in spring/summer/fall range from 45-60 in the morning up to 100 in the afternoon during summer. I have TWO questions that I am trying to get a straight answer on by someone that knows his stuff. (I don't)
1. Should I use 10w40 full synthetic JASO-MA/MA2 with how much I'm riding WOT?
2. Can I use 10w40 full synthetic JASO-MA/MA2 in the final drive?
