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 Post subject: Headlight failure
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:05 pm 
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Riding home from work and noticed both headlights were out, it was getting dark but was able to check the obvious, the fuses are all fine. The battery starts bike ok no problem just the headlamps. Got home and had time to switch with spare headlight bulbs, also to no avail ..Too dark now to strip stuff down and use a meter... Has anyone had this happen to them? Haven't checked beneath the screen in the headlight area yet, is there even a headlight relay? Theres a small red electrical compenent under the battery negative, anyone know what it is? ..Well tomorrow looks to be interesting NOT.
In the meantime any idea's welcomed.
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 Post subject: Re: Headlight failure
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:03 pm 
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k2apache6.0 wrote:
Theres a small red electrical compenent under the battery negative, anyone know what it is?

I'm pretty sure you're talking about the red diagnostic port. After having seen the connector for this (just a loop-back cable for two of the four pins), I'm pretty sure you could jump this with an insulated paperclip.
The idea is it flashes something on the dashboard and you count the number and duration of the flashes and reference that against the diagnostic table in the service manual.
Someone on here with a service manual might be able to help you with the error codes once you attain them.
As for bridging the the diagnostic port with a paperclip, I'll try and find you a picture of the loopback cable to confirm. Once you've hooked it up, I think you just switch on the ignition without starting the bike?
You're a big boy, I don't need to offer you any disclaimers on liability for this type of backyard diagnosis. :geek:


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EDIT: Here is a pic of the loopback cable courtesy of Honky. You should be able to discern the orientation of the pins from the image so that you know which ones to bridge.
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 Post subject: Re: Headlight failure
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:14 pm 
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Here is a pic of someone jumping the diagnostic port on their S2000:
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Note that the pin locations don't appear to be the same, don't emulate this orientation!


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 Post subject: Re: Headlight failure
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:33 pm 
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Thanks Gav, that's it..wondered what that red thingy was. Now it has nothing to do with the headlights I'll move on, until I get a meter on things I'm in the dark, can't find anything about a headlight relay anywhere? Problem with this is there's so many different things it could be, I was secretly hoping someone would have heard of a similar occurence and save me a bunch of time. Tomorrow will be interesting NOT.

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 Post subject: Re: Headlight failure
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k2apache6.0 wrote:
Thanks Gav, that's it..wondered what that thingy was. Now it has nothing to do with the headlights I'll move on

Not so quick Sanjo! I didn't go through all that waffle just in passing. :cry:
It is my hope that you can reveal an error code via the diagnostic port to help isolate the issue with your headlights. :|


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 Post subject: Re: Headlight failure
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:41 pm 
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I guessed that's where you were going lol. It sounds a bit risky without the right tool, and I cant ride without headlights even in daytime courtesy of the fuzz to get it to the dealer, A truck I dont have, looks like a tedious day doing it the old school way removing screws, housings, panels and a multimeter :(

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 Post subject: Re: Headlight failure
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:02 pm 
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People have posted circuit diagrams on this forum and they are on google (everything is right, even if lots is hidden), try this:
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=5845#p81182
and for mil codes, I'm sure they have been posted here but maybe this (or other google searches)
http://alflash.com.ua/Honda/DTC.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: Headlight failure
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:32 pm 
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Frank - if you want my shop manual, let me Know.... it's got a full wiring schematic in it

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 Post subject: Re: Headlight failure
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I would first look at the the headlight switch. Check for power at the switch then jump it and go from there.


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 Post subject: Re: Headlight failure
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:20 am 
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... and that, my friends, is why I added lights that do NOT directly into the rest of the lights. If you blow a fuse or have another problem like you have, you can not ride. With my setup you can flick on the switch on the handlebars, or the one on the center panel, and you can come time ue riding. Brake lights are a different thing though. See if your brake lights come on.

Are both your high beams and low beams Out? There are 2 common things for those, the switch, and the ground. The 15 amp fuse 'D' is for the headlights. It looks like it is part of the ground for it. I can attach a copy of the wiring diagram if you want it, assuming yours is still a 2013 or older.

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 Post subject: Re: Headlight failure
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viewtopic.php?f=19&t=6542&p=90137&hilit=Wiring+diagram#p90137

Actually I had already supplied a copy of the wiring diagram previously. Here is the link to the thread. If it isn't clear enough just let me know and I can try to drop the resolution on the ones I have on file for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Headlight failure
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Hey thanks for the input PCX friends, we have a good bunch of pals here that's for sure.. The problem was the High/low beam switch, just jumped across it until I can get a new one. Thanks for the suggestions, they may be of some use to anyone else who suffers the same problem.

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