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Alibally wrote:Or get a new washer. There probably about 30 pence

Blazinby wrote:I have never owned a scoot before but I'm a pretty hands on guy

will def be changing my oil myself and will certainly refer back to this thread thank you all for posting this

philjohnston wrote:It appears to only hold the rear brake cable up and out of the way

depthman wrote:

Fiah wrote:The scooter does not have a wet clutch like motorcycles do, so you can use any motor oil. That is, you can use the same stuff that you'd use for a car. Honda recommends 10W30 or 10W40. AFAIK, it is never a problem to use a 5W30 or a 0W30 instead of a 10W30. I use Castrol 5W30 (Castrol Edge I think?) because that was the cheapest 30 weight 'synthetic' that I could get my hands on. I say 'synthetic' because few if any oils sold today are truly synthetic. Your Honda shop would probably use 10W40 for motorcycles (specifically, with the JASO MA certification), because that's what they use for every motorcycle. It doesn't really matter, although using a thinner oil (within specification!) will probably result in slightly less fuel consumption. I could tell though after the shop used 10W40 (instead of the 5W30 I used) just before winter, the PCX was a bit more grumpy in the morning after that. Fuel consumption was up too, but you can't really know whether one caused the other.

The manual says 10W-30, and specifically that "ENERGY CONSERVING" oil is NOT recommended. ALL the 10W-30 I saw at K-Mart is ENERGY CONSERVING, except for the "high mileage" oil. I guess that's fine to use?? I'm about to do my first oil change (2500 miles, dealer did the 500 mile with valve check).

pxc-in-japan wrote:

depthman wrote:

Fiah wrote:The scooter does not have a wet clutch like motorcycles do, so you can use any motor oil. That is, you can use the same stuff that you'd use for a car. Honda recommends 10W30 or 10W40. AFAIK, it is never a problem to use a 5W30 or a 0W30 instead of a 10W30. I use Castrol 5W30 (Castrol Edge I think?) because that was the cheapest 30 weight 'synthetic' that I could get my hands on. I say 'synthetic' because few if any oils sold today are truly synthetic. Your Honda shop would probably use 10W40 for motorcycles (specifically, with the JASO MA certification), because that's what they use for every motorcycle. It doesn't really matter, although using a thinner oil (within specification!) will probably result in slightly less fuel consumption. I could tell though after the shop used 10W40 (instead of the 5W30 I used) just before winter, the PCX was a bit more grumpy in the morning after that. Fuel consumption was up too, but you can't really know whether one caused the other.

The manual says 10W-30, and specifically that "ENERGY CONSERVING" oil is NOT recommended. ALL the 10W-30 I saw at K-Mart is ENERGY CONSERVING, except for the "high mileage" oil. I guess that's fine to use?? I'm about to do my first oil change (2500 miles, dealer did the 500 mile with valve check).

Yes, I believe Honda's advice to avoid oils with certain additives is due to the following.
The PCX, in particular the latter design, has an engine that is made to reduce friction by means of a special coating on the engine itself. That coating, if I am not mistaken, may be degraded by the additives in 'special' oils. I thought that seemed counter-intuitive when I first read it, but I am not a Honda-trained engineer, I am only a D.I.Y. mechanic bike owner.

Perhaps going to a shop other than K-Mart, in order to get a better range of oils, is a good idea.
I use Honda's Ultra G2 semi-synthetic, which is only about 1,100 Yen (maybe 11 U.S. dollars) for a litre. That's 25% more than I need for one change, so 4 can is 5 changes for only - perhaps - 55 dollars.

homie wrote:there's a K-Mart in Japan...

pxc-in-japan wrote:

homie wrote:there's a K-Mart in Japan...

Yeah, there may well be, but with a motorbike parts shop about 200 metres from my house, I will likely never visit that K-Mart. A litre of Honda Ultra G2 semi-synthetic for 1100 Yen or 11 dollars is just fine by me once every 4,000 kilos.

homie wrote:Get a magnet an examine the used oil and see if you have anything disturbing to report. I bet not, so don't bother with the screen filter because that will bust your knuckles or completely round off the soft nut if you don't have the right tool. If you insist on checking the screen filter prepare to grind down a perfectly good socket face to a sharp finish and use a breaker bar. You shouldn't need a new 'O' ring but there are kits available from Honda and other sources

jdpeachey wrote:Thanks guys I successfully finished the oil change and now it sounds just a bit sweeter again. I managed to round the bolt head as i couldn't find the right size socket and used a spanner. I got a new bolt and washer from Honda and banged on an imperial socket slightly smaller than the 12mm one. Having coated the whole area with wd40 the night before i tweaked the rounded bolt and she came out easily. Phew.