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 Post subject: Rollers only
PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2016 3:52 am 
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First off... I have read the pages and pages of mixed sliders and rollers. I want to buy rollers and only rollers for the Forza(the round ones to avoid any confusion).
What is the best weight for rollers only on the Forza? I am thinking of 17 or 18g rollers, but I would love to hear from someone with experience just using the rollers.
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 Post subject: Re: Rollers only
PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:18 pm 
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It seems like everyone must be doing the 3/3 slider and roller mix. I am going the roller route to keep it simple and slightly increase performance. The 13g rollers work well with the PCX, but I am 99% sure that I will be going with the 17g Adige Carbon Rollers.

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 Post subject: Re: Rollers only
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:05 am 
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One problem with mixed rollers and sliders is you don't get the claimed lower gearing effect from just having sliders (assuming your belt can ride that low...).
But, just like John Snow - I know nothing. However, when I looked at Forza rollers I came up with either 17 or 18g, too.
In any case, you've got a tacho to observe the change once the deed is done. So you'll know if you're in the zone or not.


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 Post subject: Re: Rollers only
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 3:17 am 
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Thanks for the reply :D
As far as the sweet spot on the Forza.... I have read it's between 6,000 and 7,000rpm. Does this seem right to you?
I found that the Malossi Varitor Kit (for the Forza) comes with 17g rollers, but of course the profile of the drive face will be different than stock.
I am going to keep doing research for a few more days before I go for the 17g rollers.
Looks like you have done lots of nice mods to your PCX ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Rollers only
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Hi Tx,

I don't have a Forza, so I don't know where they make the best power, and I haven't seen it mentioned on here.
But 17 and 18g rollers I've read are a good start. Rollers are pretty cheap, so it's not a big gamble either way.
When you go lighter on the rollers (even without going too light) you need more throttle action to get the scoot to respond.

Yeah, everything I've done to the PCX has been quite tasteful. That is, until I get my graphics kit applied and make it stand out.
I'm waiting for a tacho to turn up so I can see what my revs are doing before faffing around any more with sliders, etc...


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 Post subject: Re: Rollers only
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txpcx13 wrote:
It seems like everyone must be doing the 3/3 slider and roller mix. I am going the roller route to keep it simple and slightly increase performance. The 13g rollers work well with the PCX, but I am 99% sure that I will be going with the 17g Adige Carbon Rollers.


I think only BRed and myself are the only ones doing the slider/roller mix... anybody else???
20g sliders and 15g rollers works great... try it.
I think you are correct with gram target range of 17-18g for a forza.


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 Post subject: Re: Rollers only
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Just purchased the Adige 17g rollers.... I will install them in a week or two and report back.

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 Post subject: Re: Rollers only
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TXpcx how's the 17g working out? I just picked up a 2014 forza and am contemplating 17 - 18g rollers and a seat mod.


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 Post subject: Re: Rollers only
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I finally got a chance to test the slider/roller mix against a stock Forza while riding in the mountains last week.

He had about 1500 more miles on his engine. Under all the conditions we tried, I could easily pull away from him, whether from a dead stop, a mid speed roll-on and especially going uphill. What surprised me at first was that when we fueled up, I even beat his mileage by 2mpg. But it made sense after thinking about it....we were riding in the mountains. I was geared lower than he was, just enough that he had to use more throttle to power up hills.


He was thoroughly confused by it all since he fully expected to blow me away on mileage with his heavier weights.
I explained that on flat level roads that would probably be the case.

this was from the last 71 miles of the ride home.....

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 Post subject: Re: Rollers only
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 8:48 am 
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BRed wrote:
I finally got a chance to test the slider/roller mix against a stock Forza while riding in the mountains last week.

He had about 1500 more miles on his engine. Under all the conditions we tried, I could easily pull away from him, whether from a dead stop, a mid speed roll-on and especially going uphill. What surprised me at first was that when we fueled up, I even beat his mileage by 2mpg. But it made sense after thinking about it....we were riding in the mountains. I was geared lower than he was, just enough that he had to use more throttle to power up hills.


He was thoroughly confused by it all since he fully expected to blow me away on mileage with his heavier weights.
I explained that on flat level roads that would probably be the case.

this was from the last 71 miles of the ride home.....

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