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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:01 pm 
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How far can I go on 3/4 tank of gas in the Forza? Planning my first longest trip tomorrow, to a neighbouring city and it will be 50 miles round trip.

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I don't have a Forza (just a PCX) but if it's anything like the PCX then "3/4" could be very much up for discussion as my trip counter get to about 80km before the gas gauge drops off showing full. By the time it gets to 3 bars down (eg "about 3/4 full on the gauge") I'm up over 100km - which is about 1/2 tank remaining. So if it's showing 3/4 it might actually be under 1/2.

Any reason you can't just fill it up before you go? As a Plan B, I also have a 5l fuel container that I can put under the seat if I need to go further afield.

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 Post subject: Re: Gas Mileage
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good idea. Never thought the gauge might not be as accurate as a car. This is my first bike and I'm very much a newbie.


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You should be fine for 50 miles. The fuel gauge is not at all linear, but at 3/4 indicated, I expect you have at least half.

You might consider resetting the trip milage when you fill up, then plan on refilling as you approach 160 or so miles. I get 65-70 miles per gallon, and the tank is around 3 gallons. Range should be 190 to 210 miles, so if I fill up based on mileage, I am not worried. I suppose it depends a bit on how sparse gas stations are in your area, but I'm sure you can come up with something comfortable.

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Sandymay wrote:
good idea. Never thought the gauge might not be as accurate as a car. This is my first bike and I'm very much a newbie.


You'll get to know it well pretty quickly. The Forza is probably different to the PCX in this regard, but on the PCX the distance I get on a tank varies significantly depending on whether I'm doing just city running, or running at full throttle down the motorway (about 230km per tank on city running -v- 180 per tank if even 1/3 of my running is a wide open throttle). So on the PCX at least, if you're miles from a station and getting low then halving your speed will get you about twice as far on what fuel you have remaining (saved my bacon once!)

If you're new to riding then I really really really really advise doing a motorcycle safety course - there are just so so so so many things that aren't obvious that you need to know to stay alive. Stats show we're around THIRTY times more likely to be killed or injured as a bike rider - so we really need to try and tip the odds in our favour. On that note, there's a dude on YouTube called Kevis Morris - he's a professional motorcycle instructor and he releases a new video every week on motorcycle safety. The channel is called MC Rider and can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/user/kevinmorris22. Best video to start with is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HClAndeAyRQ. I also run a pretty bad Facebook page called "Motorcycle Tips & Tricks to Stay Alive" here: https://www.facebook.com/MotorcycleTips ... oStayAlive


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 Post subject: Re: Gas Mileage
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I find that the Forza can do 300 km in Canada or 200 USA miles. The gas gauge does not move for the first 100 km if it is full. The second 100 km will get the gauge down to empty but there is still another 100 km left in the tank.

Highway fuel usage (24 km/l) is way worse than town usage (32 km/l). I reset the the trip A every time I fill up. Your mpg is probably better than my 236 pounds of me, gear, boots, helmet, tools and a lot of crap I should probably take off of the scooter.

You need to start thinking in kilometers for Canada. I end up converting back and forth though, too old (58), grew up using both.

In British Columbia I also have to allow for RCMP diversions, forest fires, accidents and that the towns are a long way apart often with no close alternative routes. The RCMP wanted me to do a 100 km detour, I did not have enough gas for that, I was given permission to push my motorcycle through a fatal accident scene. The highway did not open for 12 hours.

Gas is cheap for the Forza, keep it full every chance you get.

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175 km or 110 miles on 3/4 gauge.


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Thanks everyone for all the tips...one more question, I still can't get her up on her centre stand....working on it...but is it ok to fill up when she is on her kick stand?

Thanks Maverick for the links and your advice, much appreciated. I have taken the course three times and also added extra training as I have no friends or family that ride and I needed the seat time.

George, great idea about the trip counter.

Dave, I am going to Barrie today, first long trip as I've been only doing small trips in town until today. Taking the back roads and staying off the highway.


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Sandymay wrote:
Thanks everyone for all the tips...one more question, I still can't get her up on her centre stand....working on it...but is it ok to fill up when she is on her kick stand?

Thanks Maverick for the links and your advice, much appreciated. I have taken the course three times and also added extra training as I have no friends or family that ride and I needed the seat time.

George, great idea about the trip counter.

Dave, I am going to Barrie today, first long trip as I've been only doing small trips in town until today. Taking the back roads and staying off the highway.



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Youll be fine, but are there no gasoline stations available in that 25 miles?Staying off the highways are a lot more fun and interesting ..see a lot more. Have a great trip.


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Fill the tank very slowly, hold the nozzle at the very lip of the tank, watch your face. I always fill it on the side stand. The Forza ain't no Harley ( some Harley's lean a lot on the side stand) so it makes no difference hardly.

You have a Canadian Forza, so pay attention where you park the Forza. No big hills. Park it where you do not have to back it up if you can. Give it a little rock to see if it will roll away. Do not park it downhill nose in against a curb, the Forza is a pig to push backwards uphill. Park somewhere easy and walk the few extra meters.


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Getting a bike on the center stand is not a matter of effort but technique. Have the dealer show you how. My Majesty scooter is much heavier & very easy WHEN you know how.
Over the years I have obtained several different sizes of fuel cans. I don't like to carry a lot of gas & have downsized over the years. I now carry an eight ounce can that should get you about six kilometers. I try to find ways to carry them upright, outside the seat & on the other side from the muffler. You can also carry a larger empty one that would give you the ability to carry gas back to the bike. You can find fuel cans at sporting goods stores. I have 8 oz, 12 oz, 16? oz & one liter cans.


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If done right, the center stand will work easily by smaller people if:

Use your foot to extend to ground making sure you feel BOTH pads hit ground. This is critical.
Now push down and forward with foot , while grasping bike to go up and back.

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Fill the tank very slowly, hold the nozzle at the very lip of the tank, watch your face. I always fill it on the side stand. The Forza ain't no Harley ( some Harley's lean a lot on the side stand) so it makes no difference hardly.

You have a Canadian Forza, so pay attention where you park the Forza. No big hills. Park it where you do not have to back it up if you can. Give it a little rock to see if it will roll away. Do not park it downhill nose in against a curb, the Forza is a pig to push backwards uphill. Park somewhere easy and walk the few extra meters.

Thanks Dave, great tips. :)


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Getting a bike on the center stand is not a matter of effort but technique. Have the dealer show you how. My Majesty scooter is much heavier & very easy WHEN you know how.
Over the years I have obtained several different sizes of fuel cans. I don't like to carry a lot of gas & have downsized over the years. I now carry an eight ounce can that should get you about six kilometers. I try to find ways to carry them upright, outside the seat & on the other side from the muffler. You can also carry a larger empty one that would give you the ability to carry gas back to the bike. You can find fuel cans at sporting goods stores. I have 8 oz, 12 oz, 16? oz & one liter cans.

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If done right, the center stand will work easily by smaller people if:

Use your foot to extend to ground making sure you feel BOTH pads hit ground. This is critical.
Now push down and forward with foot , while grasping bike to go up and back.

Thanks Jge64....I keep practicing to master the centre stand....I'm sure everything with eventually "click" and I'll be able to do it with minimum effort. :)


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Jge64 wrote:
If done right, the center stand will work easily by smaller people if:

Use your foot to extend to ground making sure you feel BOTH pads hit ground. This is critical.
Now push down and forward with foot , while grasping bike to go up and back.


I am a shorter person, I have been riding many years. I can get the Forza on its centre stand BUT I find the geometry of the Forza makes it difficult. The Forza is a long heavy scooter and awkward.


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Getting a bike on the center stand is not a matter of effort but technique. Have the dealer show you how. My Majesty scooter is much heavier & very easy WHEN you know how.
Over the years I have obtained several different sizes of fuel cans. I don't like to carry a lot of gas & have downsized over the years. I now carry an eight ounce can that should get you about six kilometers. I try to find ways to carry them upright, outside the seat & on the other side from the muffler. You can also carry a larger empty one that would give you the ability to carry gas back to the bike. You can find fuel cans at sporting goods stores. I have 8 oz, 12 oz, 16? oz & one liter cans.

I think carrying gas on a Forza is a bad idea. It has a 200 mile (300 km) range.

I think better planning and just paying attention is a better idea.

Yes I have been places where the fuel stops are far apart but those are places you probably should be riding a more appropriate motorcycle than a scooter.

Again short people have a hard time reaching the Forza centerstand AND the handlebars.


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davenowherejones wrote:
I think carrying gas on a Forza is a bad idea. It has a 200 mile (300 km) range.


I fit 5l under the seat of my PCX without hesitation. I don't see an issue with it -- it's a very robust approved container and I make sure to leak check it after refilling it.

If the Forza is anything like the PCX then the "300km" range can easily be reduced to 150km if the entire tank is spent full throttle - and that can be a problem.


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A gas can of any size UNDER the seat creates the possibility of FUMES near the engine. That's why I carry the can EXTERNALLY.
I carry the 8 oz can on my Majesty & the 16oz can in a pocket in the rear of my saddlebags on my Harley. I've been doing something like that for almost thirty years. I started when I got a Honda CX500 that had a 2 1/2 gal tank which meant 100 miles to walking.


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