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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:11 am 
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here's the evidence of what I say. http://www.bikesafer.com/abs.html


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Got anything more recent?


Sorry GN2, don't have time to argue a moot point.

Humans can't out-brake a motorcycle ABS system, that's what you are conclusively saying right?

OK, have it your way. You are clearly combative so why don't we call you the winner and then we can move on. Life's too short...

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:24 am 
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A human cannot react as fast as ABS can.
ABS is now mandatory above 250 and becoming more prevalent on 125s.
It isn't being fitted to increase braking distances.

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The only comment that I can add is that at least you have a requirement for younger riders to learn before jumping on a motorized bike of any sort. Where I live, if you buy a scooter with less than 50cc engine, you don't even need a license at all. Thus, kids in high school and drunks who had their license taken away can pick up one of the 49cc scooters and ride in the public streets. There have been a few deaths from young riders who not only do not know how to rider, but they did not have to take a test of any sort to get on the public streets. Can you imagine driving along in your car at say 45 mph, coming around a curve and there is a little 49cc scooter trying to climb the incline in front of you at 30 mph, full throttle. Or, like in one case we had, it is raining and you are coming up to a stop sign that is 25 - 30 feet in front of you. All of a sudden this scooter, going to fast in the turn, finds its way up under your car sideways. Who, in their right mind, decided that anything under 50cc's was OK on the main roads with all of the big trucks, SUVs, and fast cars?!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:02 pm 
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gn2 wrote:
A human cannot react as fast as ABS can.
ABS is now mandatory above 250 and becoming more prevalent on 125s.
It isn't being fitted to increase braking distances.


I agree with ABS, I think it's a good thing and recommend it in the video.

I also said you win just to shut you up, but you don't have the good grace to accept that and move on. Met your type on many forums before, battling to the death with the keyboard to win an argument.

Your point was that a human can never beat ABS. My point was that a talented human can, in dry conditions stop faster.

44Teeth agree http://44teeth.com/abs-help-hindrance/

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(ABS is) guff under heavy braking on a circuit.


Please explain how you think ABS, which compares inputs from 2 wheel speed sensors, will cope with this situation? Is the rear wheel sensor giving reliable data to the ECU about the speed of the bike when the wheel is in the air?

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I think this has gone a bit off on a tangent. If a civil debate about ABS is what you want best open another thread before this one gets locked...


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Piaggio looks great. Very modern/European.
With ABS it is the winner.
Every scoot above 50cc's should have ABS standard....and disc brakes.
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Is the Medley just a small capacity Beverley?


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Is the Medley just a small capacity Beverley?


I was thinking the same thing. I like the look of big-wheel scoots and Piaggio does a decent job making them look even more classy.

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It's only the front wheel that's big, the rear is a 14 same as the PCX.

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Alibally wrote:
I think this has gone a bit off on a tangent. If a civil debate about ABS is what you want best open another thread before this one gets locked...


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I certainly have no intention of carrying on down that tangent at all, as I made clear.

Anyhow, with regards to the comments it being a smaller Beverly, I think it was a deliberate attempt to make a family resemblance.

One thing that really shocked me was how much better the Honda's idle-stop was than the Piaggio. You can see the lag difference very obviously in the video. Do you all use idle-stop or do you turn it off?

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I don't use it on my older 2012 Australian model since the headlights being on all the time would drain the battery.
I've made a thread discussing this, since I've never seen anyone address the headlight running during idle stop before.
If you had a high CCA battery on the LED model, maybe it's not such a big deal?
But yes, idle stop works seamlessly otherwise. It's just never going to get used on my scooter...


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It's only the front wheel that's big, the rear is a 14 same as the PCX.



It still keeps that classy big wheel scooter look.


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chicaboo wrote:
I don't use it on my older 2012 Australian model since the headlights being on all the time would drain the battery.
I've made a thread discussing this, since I've never seen anyone address the headlight running during idle stop before.
If you had a high CCA battery on the LED model, maybe it's not such a big deal?


I'd not considered that aspect of battery drain, so thanks for pointing it out. Honestly I think idle-stop is an unnecessary novelty for most people in western countries, but having seen the traffic in Vietnam and Taiwan it makes more sense, particularly if it is this responsive.

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I used the idle stop on mine, nice to sit peacefully with the engine off.
The engine starts in three tenths of a second due to the acg starter and swing back which positions the crank in the ideal starting position when the engine stops.
The current model has battery protection so the idle stop can't drain the battery.

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I use the idle stop on mine too

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We have the Piaggio 150 in the U.S. and no idle stop (thanks for explaining how it works!). It is a close call between models, but in the U.S. support and parts market for Honda is far better than Piaggio, and we know the PCX150 is incredibly reliable. From 12 feet back the Honda also looks better from a motorcyclists point of view, although if the Piaggio was marine vinyl wrapped the handlebars would have the nod. The Piaggio takes it in the storage and comfort department...it's so close!

In the end the Honda gets the nod here, for the styling, reliability, and parts availability (including aftermarket hop-up). Would not be disappointed at all with a Piaggio though. Thanks for the great review!


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Sticky wrote:
We used to have a good system where you could ride a 125 as a learner, take your test on it to proved you were safe and then buy whatever you liked.

Now we have a stupid EU stepped license system which only allows bigger engines at certain ages and after other tests. This makes it expensive to get a license and has massively reduced the uptake of 2-wheel riding in Britain (which is I suspect what they wanted).

Licensing on the basis of power and forcing re-tests ignores one simple fact about motorcycle accidents. Most of them involve another vehicle and happen at a lower speed than even a PCX 125 is capable of...

If you are allowed a bigger bike after taking a test in your state, be thankful. Bad riders on Superbikes could easily kill themselves on a 125 as well.

With stupid EU laws in other countries you can ride 125 cc bike with car licence if you had it for over 4 years. Clever UK law requires you to take basic training every 2 years even if you keep riding same bike. Oh and I forgot massive L plates.

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Is that what the f--k the "L" plates are for!!!! Bah ha ha! I thought it was some motorcycle club thing....


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The only thing good about the EU step system is the age requirement. Although you can be stupid on a 125 it generally keeps most of the young idiots tame . Hopefully by age 24 one is smart and mature enough to know that pain hurts, and I think that's the intent. I see kids on the interstates doing 100mph and weaving the lanes quite regularly and when you hear about a death its usually a younger rider with speed or drinking written in the article.
ABS is probably a nice thing, but not as important as some make it out to be. Be on your game as you should , and don't ride in icy , rainy , slippery conditions if you don't have to and all should be good.


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ABS is probably a nice thing, but not as important as some make it out to be.


Its something every new bike should be fitted with.
Just like the crash helmet, it won't stop idiots winning Darwin awards.
But it will prevent some collisions and injuries.

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