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The title refers not to locking the PCX but locking threads on the forum. I was all geared up to put my 2 cents into the thread titled "No more PCX for me" but found that it had been locked. I read through most of the replies...couldn't find anything particularly objectionable. It was a heated debate but, seems to me, relevant to owners of motor scooters. I understand locking a thread that degenerates to the point where the contributors are spitting nasty epithets at one another eg.:[insert something unpresidential that comes to mind] but....

Still, I can catch the moderator's drift. The debate had wandered wide of the subject onto a path that may have been leading to a sudden steep drop.

Let me just say this about stealable bikes...when I first got my PCX I was worried about it. Now, 4 years on and 3 or 4 drops to the pavement and skids thereupon, I worry much less. Scratches and scuffs and rough and ready patches and repairs have this advantage: They send thieves looking elsewhere. So...maybe the owners of new bikes should take pains to cover the youth and loveliness of their machines. I don't by any means suggest that they crash them or beat them with a hammer...but maybe they can dirty them up a bit and, who knows, get decals that look like scuffs, cracks, and patches. Get creative!

Of course, there are those souls who would not be seen dead on a dirty, scruffy-looking bike and to them I say good luck. Personally I don't give a damn, but then I am an old man and you know what they are like!
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For those who have scoots with gravity drain tanks into traditional carbureted "looped" systems you can simply put a fuel line shut off valve in a hidden area. If someone tries to actually start your machine somehow by breaking things and hotwiring (especially at night) they will only get a short distance before it craps out. They'll be too much in a futz to figure out what the problem is. They will either have to carry it or leave it. 8)
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Politics is off limits, when discussion strays into politics threads get locked.
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flyingzonker wrote:The title refers not to locking the PCX but locking threads on the forum. I was all geared up to put my 2 cents into the thread titled "No more PCX for me" but found that it had been locked. I read through most of the replies...couldn't find anything particularly objectionable. It was a heated debate but, seems to me, relevant to owners of motor scooters. I understand locking a thread that degenerates to the point where the contributors are spitting nasty epithets at one another eg.:[insert something unpresidential that comes to mind] but....

Still, I can catch the moderator's drift. The debate had wandered wide of the subject onto a path that may have been leading to a sudden steep drop.

Let me just say this about stealable bikes...when I first got my PCX I was worried about it. Now, 4 years on and 3 or 4 drops to the pavement and skids thereupon, I worry much less. Scratches and scuffs and rough and ready patches and repairs have this advantage: They send thieves looking elsewhere. So...maybe the owners of new bikes should take pains to cover the youth and loveliness of their machines. I don't by any means suggest that they crash them or beat them with a hammer...but maybe they can dirty them up a bit and, who knows, get decals that look like scuffs, cracks, and patches. Get creative!

Of course, there are those souls who would not be seen dead on a dirty, scruffy-looking bike and to them I say good luck. Personally I don't give a damn, but then I am an old man and you know what they are like!
".....get decals that look like scuffs, cracks, and patches. Get creative!"

A big seller in the States are the bullet hole decals!

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flyingzonker wrote:The title refers not to locking the PCX but locking threads on the forum. I was all geared up to put my 2 cents into the thread titled "No more PCX for me" but found that it had been locked. I read through most of the replies...couldn't find anything particularly objectionable. It was a heated debate but, seems to me, relevant to owners of motor scooters. I understand locking a thread that degenerates to the point where the contributors are spitting nasty epithets at one another eg.:[insert something unpresidential that comes to mind] but....

Still, I can catch the moderator's drift. The debate had wandered wide of the subject onto a path that may have been leading to a sudden steep drop.

Let me just say this about stealable bikes...when I first got my PCX I was worried about it. Now, 4 years on and 3 or 4 drops to the pavement and skids thereupon, I worry much less. Scratches and scuffs and rough and ready patches and repairs have this advantage: They send thieves looking elsewhere. So...maybe the owners of new bikes should take pains to cover the youth and loveliness of their machines. I don't by any means suggest that they crash them or beat them with a hammer...but maybe they can dirty them up a bit and, who knows, get decals that look like scuffs, cracks, and patches. Get creative!

Of course, there are those souls who would not be seen dead on a dirty, scruffy-looking bike and to them I say good luck. Personally I don't give a damn, but then I am an old man and you know what they are like!

We should have a "just joshing thread". If we don't understand everyone's viewpoint no matter how difficult and still be reasonably adult how are we going to understand other people's lives.

Still, Whitenoise is right. And Maddie doesn't need the hassle or worry about liability.
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We should have a "just joshing thread". If we don't understand everyone's viewpoint no matter how difficult and still be reasonably adult how are we going to understand other people's lives.

Still, Whitenoise is right. And Maddie doesn't need the hassle or worry about liability.

X2 however do not understand how expressing opinions on a public forum is or can be a libelous situation barring possible slander to an unknown person(long shot and doubtful) ??? Perhaps, however, freedom of speech does not exist in some countries that may be represented here.In which case govern one's self accordingly .Its all good and in jest...Maybe better suited for" other topics"..
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From the "pre-thread" days. . .when time was really just time. Forever locked in the minds of those who lived it. Allowed to be relived again by others through technology that was once only a dream. 8)

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I was also disappointed that it got locked. The arguments where very cordial, and good points where expressed. It was an opportunity to talk about the issue of our time.
It being a forum where like minded scooter fans converge, I think makes it a more neutral space to talk about them. We aren't stuck in our own internet corner where only our political views are expressed. Disappointed.


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WN here, Sorry to those disappointed by my decision "to lock" member Hax's thread "No more PCX for me."

As moderator my job is to make sure that everyone abides by forum rules. It's Not always easy for me to make decisions, I am afterall a member not Owner as is maddiedog.
Member Hax informed me that he is comfortable with my decision and understands why the "lock."

Yes, your discussions were civil. Makes no matter. Breaking Rules is breaking rules

They reside here: http://www.hondapcx.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=7
But have copied/pasted them here for your convenience.

They're clearly put by maddiedog in #1, 2, 3 in answer to This threads question: "to lock or not to lock"

Please enjoy yourselves. We have so many, many threads to read and converse on. Dive in, just steer clear of rule breaking. Simples :) WN

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I agree that prohibiting certain antsy topics even though they have relevance to the ownership of a motor scooter might contribute to a more orderly environment. I too like orderly environments. Politics, under which rubric I include gun ownership--the subject seems to have been thoroughy politicized, no?--and religion are and always have been red flag items. At the time of the last election, here and on another scooter forum, I was mightily schooled on this point. Everything was hunky-dory until the qualifications (and lack thereof) of one of the candidates came up--as it often did--and I spoke "my truth" too candidly too many times. Of course others spoke theirs and "a row and a ruction" ensued every time.
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"For those who have scoots with gravity drain tanks into traditional carbureted "looped" systems you can simply put a fuel line shut off valve in a hidden area. If someone tries to actually start your machine somehow by breaking things and hotwiring (especially at night) they will only get a short distance before it craps out. They'll be too much in a futz to figure out what the problem is. They will either have to carry it or leave it. "

Right. That would certainly discourage the amateurs. And amateurs are probably in the majority.The pros, however, and not so easily put down. They don't bother with jumping the ignition. They come and go in vans.
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Right. That would certainly discourage the amateurs. And amateurs are probably in the majority.The pros, however, and not so easily put down. They don't bother with jumping the ignition. They come and go in vans.
Yup. . .some of those indignant individuals pride themselves on their achievements in the art of theft. It gives me great joy to see them get busted and cuffed and hauled away on the evening news. 8)
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Yes, but they won't get cuffed if the police don't bother to go after them. From what I have read recently on this forum it seems as though scooter theft is at the bottom of their priorities. Where does that leave us, the scooter community? Without intending to get into politics, it seems to me that the only way something will be done about these thefts is if there is a big uproar from the community. Perhaps someone can get the local newspaper to do an article about the problem, sort of bringing it to the attention of the public...and the police...especially if it is about the lack of police involvement.
Yes, the police have other things to do that might seem more important, but if you are a working adult who uses a scooter to get to and from their job, and you have been assaulted while on your scooter, then you are losing your access to your livelihood. That is a big problem, especially if you can't work because of the thefts. Something to think about.
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es, but they won't get cuffed if the police don't bother to go after them. From what I have read recently on this forum it seems as though scooter theft is at the bottom of their priorities. Where does that leave us, the scooter community? Without intending to get into politics, it seems to me that the only way something will be done about these thefts is if there is a big uproar from the community. Perhaps someone can get the local newspaper to do an article about the problem, sort of bringing it to the attention of the public...and the police...especially if it is about the lack of police involvement.
Yes, the police have other things to do that might seem more important, but if you are a working adult who uses a scooter to get to and from their job, and you have been assaulted while on your scooter, then you are losing your access to your livelihood. That is a big problem, especially if you can't work because of the thefts. Something to think about.
Well put Mel.

Organizations like the "AMA" are there to help defend riders rights, bring rider issues to the surface of public consciousness, promote use of public lands, and defend how riders are treated in an array of situations. 8)

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I don’t think it’s so much that it’s not their priority anymore, but bikes have a way of breaking down quickly and the parts disappearing. Therefore a lot of law-enforcement organizations don’t pursue something that they know is going to be a hard road to go down. Look at the little minibike they broke down on Breaking bad when they shot the kid… Didn’t take them longer than 15 minutes to make it all parts and disappear.

Further, unless you can lock your bike to a stationary object, Any type of inhibitor to it operating really doesn’t solve much of the problem, at least down here Florida. Down here Two guys just pick up the bike and throw it in a truck/van and off they go, They can worry about getting it to run later.
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Pcx150rider,
I had been looking for the link to that organization when I bought my PCX but I couldn't remember their name. In fact, my insurance company was offering a discount if i was a member of an association. I was part of the Honda one but it disappeared. Thanks for the link.
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Pcx150rider,
I had been looking for the link to that organization when I bought my PCX but I couldn't remember their name. In fact, my insurance company was offering a discount if i was a member of an association. I was part of the Honda one but it disappeared. Thanks for the link.
Your welcome. . ..

They do a lot of good for young and old and there are some benefits and member discounts available depending upon where you buy stuff.

It's about $49 a year for the basic membership. . .and they still mail out the monthly magazine which is great to look forward to. 8)
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