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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:24 pm 
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If any of you folks intend to keep your PCX until it becomes too costly to repair or just simply dies on you, how many miles do you hope to get for you to feel you got your money's worth?

I always drive my cars until the wheels fall off. My last car got about 190,000 miles and I was not happy. My three cars before that each got about 300,000 miles, which I was very happy. I intend to keep this scooter until it dies, but I'm not sure what the average longevity of these machines are. Is 50,000 miles too much to ask? Assuming I did the scheduled oil change and such, I'd be very happy if it lasts that long. I paid just over $2000 for a used 2015 model with 1,000 miles, essentially new.

When I was in New Zealand, I bought a 49cc scooter for about $1200 American dollars and rode it 8,500 miles. I had planned to ship it home, until I realized that would be costlier than the scooter. Otherwise, I would have kept riding it until it died (my visa expired before that happened).


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:39 pm 
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I've asked the same question a few times - and keep getting different answers - which is probably not surprising because I don't think anyone really knows the answer.

Mine is at 34,000km at present (after 30 months) - and engine remains as good as when I bought it. I change the oil every 4,000km and have tracked oil burn over past 2 changes (60 ml loss and 70 ml loss) (give or take -- I can't measure it overly accurately).

I discussed this with the dealer mechanic (who guessed 70,000km) but even then he said "there's always options". And I think that's the crux of it; when I passed through 33,000km (into the "2nd trimester" as I like to call it) I changed belt, clutch weights, driven face bearing, front and rear tyres, front and rear brake shoes, cooling fluid, brake fluids, and I'd like to think that all of those (except tyres) will now be good for another 33,000km at which point I'll change them again. Things like wheel bearings are an unknown, but not difficult to change if needed.

For me, the engine is the part I'm most interested in - I'm hoping that with 4,000km oil changes and using a good-quality specification compliant oil (and not just any old oil) that I'm tipping the balance in my favour - but regardless, even if the engine were to wear out, it's not impossible to recondition it.

If mine gets to 100,000km I'll say "well done". I've seen a PCX with 80,000km+ on the clock.

Hope this helps.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:40 pm 
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That's what I'm hoping with the scooter: just replace the basics and hope to reach a certain number of miles (whatever that might be) and be happy. Like you said, what that number is anybody's guess. I'm not sure how much a new PCX engine is and how much I'd have to pay for labor, but if I had to do that, I might as well get a new scooter. Since yours is at 20,000 miles and in great condition, there's hope. Or maybe it's just NZ. I hear scooters are much happier there!


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That's what I'm hoping with the scooter: just replace the basics and hope to reach a certain number of miles (whatever that might be) and be happy. Like you said, what that number is anybody's guess. I'm not sure how much a new PCX engine is and how much I'd have to pay for labor, but if I had to do that, I might as well get a new scooter. Since yours is at 20,000 miles and in great condition, there's hope. Or maybe it's just NZ. I hear scooters are much happier there!


I did hear a price for a new engine once ... it was pretty obscene :(

No idea what a rebuild would cost - would probably be one of those trade-offs between getting someone to take it out / fit it again -v- doing as much as possible for themselves and waiting for parts etc.

My plan is to just monitor a few vitals and try to make good decisions going forward. General consensus is that regular oil changes is what makes the biggest difference. Everyone seems to agree that Honda engines just keep going and going and going (with their F1 (and the occasional MotoGP) engines proving to be the exceptions).

Would love to think Scooters (or even their riders) are happier here - not sure how true it would be though! (as I write this at 5pm on Friday the cloud is starting to descend on the hills in preparation for the weekend!) :)


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Engine life is a bit of a non issue/speculation. It's unfortunate but most scooters will end their useful life crashed, trashed or abandoned.

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Engine life depends on maintenance regime.
Look after it properly and it will last indefinitely.
I know of a three year old Honda used by a courier which has 175,000 miles on it.

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Those fortunate to live in nice climates (not riding on wet, dirty, salty roads like we have to in UK cities) should see their bikes last much longer. Pics of Homies and WhiteNoises PCX's look like new, even engine, wheel and underside whereas those of us in the UK, well, the underside, wheels and engine area look poor in comparison with dirty/rusty bits.

I've had mine for just over 3 years, done almost 13,000 miles and use it every work day of the year no matter what the weather - rain, cold, jan/feb as long as not much snow/ice. Using the underground (tube) system would cost me £1600/yr, the PCX cost £2700 OTR - add tax £17/yr, CBT (£90 every 2 years), insurance (£100/yr), fuel (£140 yr as I get 130-140mpg), and then a few hundred for parts/lubricants over 4 years, I have saved money and still have a useable scooter worth some money if I sold or traded it - and it should last for years yet.

So, even if you throw it away every 3-4 years, it's still cheaper than using public service transport and much more convenient and fun.

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My first scoot was a 1985 Yamaha Riva 170, in 2006. The engine died two years later while cruising the highway at 70mph, as indicated by the speedometer. I got it with a broken speedometer and bad turn signals for $100 bucks. I must of put 12,000 miles on it as I replaced the rear tire twice, if my memory serves me right. After the engine died I was able to get ahold of a free Yamaha Riva 200 all the way in San Francisco. I replaced the engine, same top speed, and sold it after I bought a Honda Helix. I expect the same thing or better out of my PCX, so I just ride it.

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I'm hoping for at least 30,000 miles before anything major has to be done. 8)


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After the engine died I was able to get ahold of a free Yamaha Riva 200 all the way in San Francisco. I replaced the engine, same top speed, and sold it after I bought a Honda Helix.

LoL - that Helix is good for - what, 250,000 or some crazy high mileage ?? They constantly do well in the scoter cannonball.


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Worked long and hard to be retired, I trade out my bikes every 4 years, regardless of condition. Too much new tech I want!

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I expect mine to last through next year. Then I will worry about the next year after that. I will change oil frequently and inspect it before each ride. I will pamper it and keep it clean, and until next year I will just ride it and not worry. After all, it is a Honda.

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I had 24,070 (in 2.5 years of driving) on my 2015 PCX this morning. I put about 1,300 miles a month on my scooter, and it holds up nicely for the heavy workload I require of it!


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1,300 miles a month is 40+ miles a day every day, much more than my commute. Very encouraging.


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Brent wrote:
I had 24,070 (in 2.5 years of driving) on my 2015 PCX this morning. I put about 1,300 miles a month on my scooter, and it holds up nicely for the heavy workload I require of it!


Nice to fine someone doing more than me - I've clocked up 34,000km in 2.5 years.

With the exception of the known rear driven face noisy bearing issue, I've only had to change consumables - no other issues - the thing just runs like a swiss clock.


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Still find it amazing how one little piston copes and lasts the way it does (and the seals with it) - amazing.

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Still find it amazing how one little piston copes and lasts the way it does (and the seals with it) - amazing.


Once its run in if you use fully synthetic oil the internal component wear reduces to about nil.

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Still find it amazing how one little piston copes and lasts the way it does (and the seals with it) - amazing.


Once its run in if you use fully synthetic oil the internal component wear reduces to about nil.


Just the way we like it!


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I have on mine 12.500 Km but I hope to have it running for a while,... I know someone on another PCX forum in Italy that is claiming of having covered 130.000KM on the 2011 Pcx version,... he has given to me some advice that I ll try to follow but do not know if I ll be able to be so successfull.....

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gauss80 wrote:
he has given to me some advice that I ll try to follow but do not know if I ll be able to be so successfull.....


What was his advice?


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