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 Post subject: Re: It's Electric!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:05 am 
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I thought this was pretty interesting...
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/w ... e-industry

A thirty mile range, 20 MPH transportation device could serve the point A to point B needs for many people. I considered a Bion-x for my mountain bike, but was put off by the price.
http://ridebionx.com/products/ebike/ebike-systems/

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 Post subject: Re: It's Electric!
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20 mph is a class 1 ebike which requires no license or registration and gets up to 800 mpge plus whatever you pedal. There are literally 100's to choose from today. Class 2 bikes are allowed to make 28 mph. From city bikes to cargo to off road. ebikes are the future for personal transportation in an ever more crowded and resource scarce world.
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you you wrote:
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Honda goes into "full stupid" mode.
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It’s a concept bike. The clue to a concept bikes purpose is in the name if you look hard enough.

The concept is stupid. :D

@GeorgeSK has a great article, and I think it's spot-on. That does cover most urban travel, and they're honest about the market they're targeting and the capabilities of the machine. This is a great idea and will be successful.


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 Post subject: Re: It's Electric!
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And now for something COMPLETELY different....

https://www.designboom.com/technology/p ... 2-21-2017/

At least it has a seat belt for when you get t-boned by that SUV.

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 Post subject: Re: It's Electric!
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I also like the Toyota i-road leaning enclosed three wheeler.
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http://www.toyota-global.com/innovation ... ty/i-road/
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 Post subject: Re: It's Electric!
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GeorgeSK wrote:
I considered a Bion-x for my mountain bike, but was put off by the price.
http://ridebionx.com/products/ebike/ebike-systems/

I just looked at the price. $2,500 is completely out of the ball park now that all of the torque sensing mid-drive bikes are mature. There is a nice deal on a close out Izip Peak + or Sumo right now for $2,600 for the whole bike.
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I would put a LOT more LED lights on the Toyota I-20road so that I could be seen at night! One of the pictures shows it in traffic at night, and you can barely see it! It only has a single headlight as well.
Still, if the world is moving in that direction then I guess it is about the same as the other ones that are being introduced.

However, my wife says it best: For a scooter or motorcycle ride, why bother? We get out there to feel the freedom and open air of the country, and the quick access to places while in the city. Get a car if you want to be fully enclosed.

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 Post subject: Re: It's Electric!
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The idea is energy and resource efficiency as everything gets tight moving forward. There is no way 11 Billion people can all have a car. But 4 times as many can have an i-road. Small 2 person vehicles that take up 1/4 the space and metal and batteries of a car and that means mean that more people will still be able to have enclosed personal transportation in the near future after the population peaks and carbon energy declines. People should learn to look ahead more than a few election cycles, more than a few hundred years, and try to imagine what "they" will need in the future and how do we start to aim for that now while we still have this immense energy wealth to make big changes to our infrastructure. Eventually an ebicycle or e push scooter with a 500Wh battery will be a great luxury.
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Another really great last mile option for people who will commute into cities on electric train, or out to the farm fields on electric busses, is the electric kick scooter since they fold down to a handy carry on size with one click.
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https://www.amazon.com/SEGWAY-eScooter- ... inebot+es1
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 Post subject: Re: It's Electric!
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Me want an electric Messerschmitt

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 Post subject: Re: It's Electric!
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No offense, I think the iZip price vs. performance isn't there yet. At half the cost of a PCX and nothing near the performance, no rear suspension, and no guarantee on replacement parts being available in 3 years (iZip will probably say to upgrade the bike instead), it doesn't do it for me--it might for you, and fitting your needs is of course the goal.

So far the gas-bike conversions are still in that same price range and less reliable, although replacement parts are easy to come by. They technically require a driver's license in the U.S. so the electric bike has an advantage there.

With all the work on tilting three-wheelers they will be the next huge revolution in the automotive industry. Millenials will find that while Uber and Lyft are great, they want their own freedom [for minimal investment] and transportation smaller and cooler than the SMART will be it.

Earlier this year I contacted Toyota about testing the I Road in the U.S. after their Japan tests were completed, as I have the facilities they required and have other 3-wheelers. Sadly, the U.S. Isn't even a consideration until after the i-Road is in full production in other countries (and turning a good profit). There are too many governmental restrictions to overcome, and their target market doesn't have the infrastructure to support such a vehicle. (In other words, hipsters might invest in the vehicle, but not secure parking, charging, and current maintainance requirements.)

I think @GeorgeSK nailed it though, Peugeot squarely nailed the concept. Even though lithium technology has advanced greatly, it runs best in a limited temperature range, not too hot or cold. (I was running in 20F=-7C yesterday, and while the batteries did well, they had about 1/3 range). The faster you go, the less distance the batteries will take you. With a petrol engine none of that is a concern--take the batteries off-line and go. Going "fast" is also not a problem. And there's heat...a tiny compressor for air-conditioning would be nice too, given the plastic bubble is going to cook the driver when the sun is out--but Peugeot engineers are good about practical things, so they'll most likely have a solution.

It's not just about "being green," because quite frankly, that crap costs more than gas engines. Batteries are expensive and environmentally unfriendly to make and dispose of--plus they don't last long. They cost a lot to purchase, they catch fire and release deadly toxins, have a narrow range of operating and charging temperatures, on and on.

It is about "being cool" [and somewhat practical]. Look at the younger generation--appearance is everything, selfies (posting pictures of yourself online) rule. Peugeot nailed it.

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 Post subject: Re: It's Electric!
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The mid-drive ebikes are still really expensive due to the torque sensing name brand motor units but I am a hard core XC trail rider and these are the pinacle of offroad cycling. Cheap hub motor conversions with a throttle can be done for $400 and are used by the Millions in Asia where bike commuting is feasible. Electric kick scooters are another great option to carry on and off the subway with you to cover the last couple miles of a commute. The batteries come inside with you to stay warm.
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Electric transportation makes sense for improving air quality in big cities but won't be obviously cost effective until there is a carbon tax or in a few decades when depletion of crude oil forces inevitably much higher prices. I encourage civilization to not wait until the last minute to start learning how to get by without fossil fuels now so we are not shocked at the end. Save some for later. 11 Billion people are going to need it to grow food while they figure out how to get back to 2 Billion and grow crops with no artificial fertilizer using muscle power.

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