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Hi Robert! I haven't had a chance to try light weight sliders in the 24x18 range yet but I think 17 or 18 gram should be right... 6 17G 24x18 will turn about 200 rpm lower at most speeds than 6 17g 23x18 sliders. I'm still running the slider/roller mix and they're doing fine, but when I tried all 6 ...

That's correct, Robert... from what I've seen while using them in a mix, now I want to try 6 lightweight 2418 sliders, maybe 17-18 grams? the taller sliders may serve the same purpose as the rollers in the mix I use. again, I was trying for the least expensive, least invasive and lowest revving, mos...

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Robert: the 24x18 sliders are probably going to be best for reducing rpm at top end... I think they'll be better for touring or commuting as opposed to drag racing or just raw acceleration. I might be wrong on that since all I've tested so far is 20G 2418 sliders.... I'm running identical mixed weig...

I've put about 20,000 miles on two different J.Costa variators and they are excellent when the right weight pins are used. In fact, the mix of sliders and rollers I use now on my scooters was developed while trying to match the J.Costa acceleration curve using a conventional OEM variator. http://i14...

How many kilometers have you accumulated on your Forza so far, Mario?

It's possible you're just feeling the Forza's swinging link suspension.... the engine/cvt is mounted to the frame via a 3 or 4 piece swinging link... this is not a normal hinge. this is to dampen vibration and does a good job of it, but during hard acceleration/deceleration, the rear wheel can move ...

Robert, my Forza running mixed weights will do 0-100kmph (60mph) in 10 seconds...probably a little less.

Robert, it takes a few miles for some components to reach their optimum tolerance.
The springs start off a about 110% of the desired long term strength.

the heavier the spring the more weight required to compress it at any given rpm.

patience, Grasshopper!

Hello again.....soory for the delayed response but I've been on the road for a few weeks. Mario, you started modding your Forza at 300Km..... I waited until 2000miles before going to lighter weights. in fact I actually ran heavier weights briefly before I started really going light on weights just t...

The most misleading thing about this section of the Forum is that about half of the questions asked by Forza owners are answered by PCX owners.... I'm sure they have the best of intentions but it has resulted much mis-information here, some that is irrelevant and some that is bordering on dangerous,...

83Nm is correct (61 ft.lb.)

Sendler2112, in all your posts you're comparing a PCX that you need to run at 110% of the design specifications to reach the speed that YOU want...to a Forza 300 with twice the displacement and HP.. The main difference is you're running maxed out all the time. With the Forza, all we're trying to ach...

I'll check that in the service manual when I get home this afternoon. I seem to remember that the variator bolt for the Forza actually used less torque than the variator nut on the older 250cc series..... the Forza's bolt has much more thread engagement, maybe twice as much as the older threaded sha...

for the record:
the sliding bearings for a 23x18 variator are SP2418

the Helix style sliding rollers are SR2418
these are 1mm taller and will be like overdrive weights for the Forza

Yes, on the DRP sliding bearings, they only seem to hold up well in the DR Pulley variator. Twice I've tried them on Honda variators and both times they cracked and locked the variator..... they are made of a different light colored plastic compound that seem harder and less flexible than the Honda ...

If you've read the thread, then you know 23x18 Honda rollers are 23.27mm 23x18 DR Pulley sliders are 22.35mm across the same dimension. if you check closely with your PCX weights and compare them to other sized weights, you will find that each size of rollers and their equivalent slider have a diffe...

Robert, you've seen the video of 20G sliders/15G rollers so that gives you a reference point... that combination will do 0-60 in ~9 seconds. either of the 19 G slider combos will be about 1 second faster to 100kph (60mph)... all 4 combos will probably top 87mph (my personal max speed on a new low mi...

Excellent! Thanks for the feedback! It's interesting to note that one of my local test points is a steep 1/4 mile uphill grade. I stop at the bottom, accelerate hard and check my speed at the top..... I get about the same results as you.....55mph max stock, 62 mph w/ mixed weights! How is your fuel ...

What I meant is that taller gearing increased fuel mileage (not fuel consumption). 19G sliders w/16G roller gave a shiftpoint and initial curve of 6400rpm on the Big Ruckus... it will outrun a stock Forza in the 1/4 mile (17 seconds @ 76mph) 20G sliders w/15G rollers are showing a shiftpoint and ini...